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23. Oktober 2014: Von Stefan K. an Stefan K.
Und jetzt Ende..... ich muß packen. Es geht ab in den Urlaub.

Gruß Stefan
23. Oktober 2014: Von Thore L. an Stefan K.
Schönen Urlaub, Stefan,

aber der Link von Lutz sagt finde ich etwas ganz anderes. Und es ist der Hammer - es ist tatsächlich komplett geregelt. Man hat in Australien eine umfassende Vorschrift erlassen.

Kurz:

Wer einen Flugplatz anfliegt, muss dies über die Platzrunde machen. Man kann auch einen Straight In machen, wenn man niemanden stört. Diese Regel gilt für VFR und IFR. Das ergibt sich aus 166B (3). Die besagt, dass 2c nicht gilt, wenn in IMC und im IFR Approach. Wenn aber nur 2c in diesem Fall nicht gelten soll, gilt 2b (Vorflugrecht der Platzrunde) ja weiter.

(1) The pilot in command of an aircraft commits an offence if:

(a) the pilot carries out a straight‑in approach to land at a non‑controlled aerodrome; and

(b) the pilot engages in conduct; and

(c) the conduct results in the contravention of a rule set out in subregulation (2).

Penalty: 25 penalty units.

(2) The rules are the following:

(a) before starting the approach, the pilot must determine:

(i) the wind direction at the aerodrome; and

(ii) the runways in use at the aerodrome;

(b) the pilot must give way to any other aircraft flying in the circuit pattern for the aerodrome;

(c) subject to subregulation (3), the pilot must carry out all manoeuvring, to establish the aircraft on final approach, at least 3 miles from the threshold of the runway that the pilot intends to use for landing.

(3) The rule in paragraph (2)(c) does not apply to the pilot if he or she is carrying out the approach:

(a) using an instrument approach procedure; and

(b) in IMC.


Oder ist das wieder Verschwörungstheorie?

23. Oktober 2014: Von C*h*r*i*s*t*i*a*n S*u*e*r an Stefan K.
[Dann einen schönen Urlaub!]

Gut, dass der Stefan dies dann erst nach dem Urlaub liest und sich hierüber heute nicht mehr ärgern muss ;-)

Ich habe mir dieses CAR-Dokument jetzt auch mal angesehen. In Regulation 161 steht eigentlich wenig Konkretes, was uns in dieser Diskussion weiterhilft. Dafür steht ein Stück weiter in Regulation 166, dass Stefan zumindest in Australien(!) mit seiner Interpretation FALSCH läge:

166 Operating in vicinity of a non-controlled aerodrome
(1) For this regulation and regulation 166A, an aircraft is in the
vicinity of a non-controlled aerodrome if it is within:
(a) airspace other than controlled airspace; and
(b) a horizontal distance of 10 miles from the aerodrome; and
(c) a height above the aerodrome reference point of the
aerodrome that could result in conflict with operations at
the aerodrome.
(2) The pilot in command of an aircraft that is being operated in
the vicinity of a non-controlled aerodrome must:
(a) maintain a look-out for other aerodrome traffic to avoid
collision; and
(b) ensure that the aircraft does not cause a danger to other
aircraft in the vicinity of the aerodrome; and
(c) conform with, or avoid, the circuit pattern; and
(d) unless subregulation (3) or (4) applies — when
approaching the aerodrome to land, join the circuit pattern
for the direction in which landing is to be undertaken on
the upwind, crosswind or downwind leg; and
(e) after joining the circuit pattern for a landing or after taking
off:
(i) if CASA has directed for the aerodrome that all turns
be made in a particular direction — make all turns in
compliance with CASA’s directions; or
(ii) if subparagraph (i) does not apply and visual signals
are displayed at the aerodrome indicating a direction
to make all turns — make all turns in compliance
with the visual signals; or
(iii) in any other case — make all turns to the left; and
(f) to the extent practicable, land and take off into the wind;
and
(g) before landing, descend in a straight line starting at least
500 metres from the threshold of the landing runway and
at a distance common to the ordinary course of navigation
for the aircraft type; and
(h) after take-off, maintain the same track from the take-off
until the aircraft is 500 feet above the terrain unless a
change to the track is necessary for terrain avoidance.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(3) The pilot in command of an aircraft may carry out a straight-in
approach to a non-controlled aerodrome only if:
(a) the aircraft is equipped with serviceable radio; and
(b) the pilot broadcasts the intention to do so on the
VHF frequency in use at the aerodrome; and
(c) before starting the approach, the pilot determines wind
direction and runways in use; and
(d) the pilot carries out all manoeuvring, to establish the
aircraft on final approach, at least 5 miles from the
threshold of the landing runway intended to be used; and
(e) the pilot gives way to any other aircraft established and
flying in the circuit pattern at the aerodrome.
(4) The pilot in command of an aircraft may join the circuit pattern
at a non-controlled aerodrome on the base leg, for the direction
in which landing is to be undertaken, only if:
(a) CASA has given approval to do so; and
(b) details of the approval have been published in AIP.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(5) Paragraphs (2) (d) and (3) (b), (c) and (d) do not apply if:
(a) the pilot is conducting an instrument approach in I.M.C.;
and
(b) the instrument approach procedure positions the aircraft to
join the circuit other than on the upwind, cross-wind or
down-wind leg of the circuit pattern.
(6) A pilot in command may operate an aircraft in the vicinity of
an uncontrolled aerodrome that is designated under
regulation 166A only if:
(a) the aircraft has a serviceable VHF radio; or
(b) the operation is authorised in writing by CASA.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(7) The pilot in command of an aircraft must not take the aircraft
off from, or land the aircraft on, a part of a non-controlled
aerodrome outside the landing area of the aerodrome.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(8) An offence against subregulation (2), (3), (4), (6) or (7) is an
offence of strict liability.

EDIT: Oh, ich sehe, der Thore war etwas schneller mit dem posten... 2 Dumme, 1 Gedanke ;-)
23. Oktober 2014: Von Thore L. an Stefan K.
161 sagt das hier, was hat das mit uns zu tun?

(1) An aircraft that is required by the rules in this Division to keep out of the way of another aircraft shall avoid passing over or under the other, or crossing ahead of it, unless passing well clear.

(2) The pilot in command of an aircraft that has the right of way must maintain its heading and speed, but nothing in the rules in this Division shall relieve the pilot in command of an aircraft from the responsibility of taking such action as will best avert collision.

Penalty: 25 penalty units.

(3) An offence against subregulation (2) is an offence of strict liability.

23. Oktober 2014: Von Lutz D. an C*h*r*i*s*t*i*a*n S*u*e*r
166 4 ist auch interessant, da wird IFR approach mit base-leg join beschrieben. Dass IFR-Proxedures hier erwähnt werden, bedeutet, dass sie unter 2 nicht etwa vergessen wurden, sondern derAbsatzfür IFR/VFR unverändert gilt.


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