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23. August 2026 18:23 Uhr: Von Peter Holmes an Rockhopper Flyer Bewertung: -0.33 [3]

We have now exceeded 2300 reports - all real pilot reports, with details like prices, etc, and all without the use of "AI".

Wir haben inzwischen die Marke von 2300 Berichten überschritten – allesamt echte Berichte von Piloten, mit Details wie Preisen usw., und das ganz ohne den Einsatz von „AI“.

23. August 2026 19:03 Uhr: Von Yury Zaytsev an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +2.00 [2]

How about the translation in German of the sentence in English? It reads like LLM to me ;-)

23. August 2026 19:18 Uhr: Von Sven Walter an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +0.00 [2]

And all proprietary to u, Right?

23. August 2026 22:04 Uhr: Von Sebastian S. an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +1.00 [1]

Unfortunately with a horrible user interface

24. August 2026 10:47 Uhr: Von Peter Holmes an Sebastian S. Bewertung: +2.00 [2]

I used google to translate into German, yes :)

EuroGA is a pan-European pilot community. We have been going since 2012. Around 8000 pilots have joined. The airport database belongs to EuroGA. I believe this has been discussed here before :) The main German one, eddh.de, belongs to eddh.de, etc.

The EuroGA airport database

https://airports.euroga.org/

is open to all to contribute. You can contribute as a Guest so no need for a EuroGA login.

I am writing this in English so that the bad German translation is avoided.

24. August 2026 11:19 Uhr: Von thomas _koch an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +2.00 [2]

Example EGPE:

Skydemon 18

eddh.de 15

Foreflight 1

Euroga 1

24. August 2026 11:29 Uhr: Von Peter Holmes an thomas _koch

EGPE (Inverness, Scotland) is an interesting example. Please check the dates of the reports and where from. It is now very expensive (in the region of €300) and apart from an aeroclub there, there is very little GA activity

https://www.euroga.org/forums/trips-airports/17211-scotland-recommendations/post/412221#412221

There are many more reports on our airport database from mainland Europe (EU etc) than from the UK :) We have many contributors from Germany, Austria, Switzerland, etc...

24. August 2026 12:26 Uhr: Von thomas _koch an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +1.00 [1]

Simply not correct.

Check this please:

https://www.hial.co.uk/downloads/file/1110/inverness-airport-charges-effective-1-april-2026

Inverness is a great airport and GA friendly.

24. August 2026 23:05 Uhr: Von Sven Walter an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +2.00 [4]

EuroGA is a pan-European pilot community. We have been going since 2012. Around 8000 pilots have joined. The airport database belongs to EuroGA. I believe this has been discussed here before :) The main German one, eddh.de, belongs to eddh.de, etc.

And no one minds you offering a forum and some other perks for the interested pilot community. But: Better is the enemy of good. And you constantly dodge the relevant question: Why shall one contribute to a proprietary platform, if by now there is a free, new database that you or any commercial service may use since the interface allows what a grass root approach by all concerned aviators share: Usability for everyone.

The EuroGA airport database

https://airports.euroga.org/

is open to all to contribute. You can contribute as a Guest so no need for a EuroGA login.

Yep. But it's proprietary. Better is the enemy of good.

What is your business continuity plan? Could others use the content? What provisions did you install for a going concern?

We are all aware of what happens when an OEM goes bankrupt, if parts dry up, product recalls, small numbers are manufactured etc. Pilots aren't stupid (but not always wise, I give you that). So, why should we contribute when an open source volunteer project with free access interface provisions exists today?

You will dodge this core question, cuz it stings. Doesn't it?

25. August 2026 09:01 Uhr: Von Peter Holmes an Sven Walter

EuroGA has a great continuity plan. It is a community; not a personal business of any one person. It does not generate a penny of revenue for anyone.

Example: For how many years have you contributed to eddh.de? That is owned by one man who has refused all pressure to do what you are asking for. And I am not surprised!

Experience shows that most people stop contributing once a "cause" becomes unfocused.

25. August 2026 09:41 Uhr: Von Sven Walter an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +0.00 [2]

Peter, the dodger.

Again: I have zero beef with EuroGA. Very useful. Great to have. But all u offer here is Whataboutism, cuz I poked at the right spot. Answer for yourself, do not deflect to EDDH.DE.

Or give the resource to everyone, free of charge, as a common good.

25. August 2026 17:46 Uhr: Von Rockhopper Flyer an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +5.00 [5]

Peter,

as you addressed me directly, I am happy to answer.

First, congratulations on 2300 reports.

Although - by your own standard, the number shouldn't impress anyone too much. When you launched this thread in 2020, you dismissed the established databases because - and I quote - "most of the data is really quite old" and old reports are "almost useless". I agree. Which makes recency the only currency that counts.

Your own posts put EuroGA at 2000 last August and 2300 now - roughly 300 added in its sixth year, with thousands of members. Airfield Directory added 970 handwritten reports in the same twelve months, from a standing start - counting one report per pilot per airfield, with the constant stream of updates to existing reports not counted at all. Last month alone: over 70 new ones, plus dozens of refreshed ones. Because our philosophy is that pilots update their report instead of stacking a new one on top, every airfield shows the current state, not an archaeology expedition.

And since we're calling things "real pilot reports, with details": a casual browse through your 2300 turns up entries whose complete text is "Ok", "Nil" or "Good". Those count toward the 2300 too.

Speaking of "details like prices": on Airfield Directory, landing fees and fuel prices don't depend on what a pilot remembered to type into a text box months ago. They come straight from the airfields' own Aerops data (another service that focuses on collaboration for the benefit of the community) - maintained by the airfields themselves, including personalised landing fees and forms e.g. for PPR. As a backup, we publish community prices from another open community project with an open API, aviation-fuel-prices.com, if they're no older than 30 days. So our prices are current by construction, not by luck. Same applies to information like customs/border crossing points, which is fetched and parsed directly from the official sources.

And to calm your AI phobia: not a single AI-generated report has been added beyond the clearly-badged launch set from a year ago. Zero AI texts since launch; pilots wrote 970. By hand. But here is what our AI DOES do: it translates every report into six languages, so a French pilot writes in French and you read it in English - something neither a German-only nor an English-only database offers a pan-European community, which we both value. There's even a human-only-no-AI nightly export.

All that exists precisely because the data in Airfield Directory is open and it belongs to the people who contributed it - the community.

What remains is the actual difference between the projects. For the record: I first invited you to cooperate by personal email in March 2021 - on your terms, even offering to keep EuroGA's data out of the API and download entirely if you preferred. You never replied.

I repeated the offer in this thread last August. It still stands: all our reports are CC BY-SA, with an open API, nightly full export, ForeFlight content packs, and an MCP server for Claude & ChatGPT. You're welcome to integrate every single one into EuroGA, with attribution, today - and you and/or your contributors are equally welcome to republish their own reports with us.

One of these two databases has had a locked door for five years now. It isn't ours.

In the spirit of peaceful coexistence, I returned the courtesy you extended this forum in 2020 and posted an introduction of Airfield Directory on EuroGA. I'm genuinely curious how long it stays up. [UPDATE: Less than 2 minutes.]

25. August 2026 18:55 Uhr: Von Peter Holmes an Rockhopper Flyer Bewertung: -3.67 [4]

Hello Thomas

You were on EuroGA before, as Berlinflyer (same here). You were contributing nicely to our community but eventually for some reason arranged to get yourself banned by making posts with lots of four-letter words, despite warnings about it. You then changed your ID here to RockhopperFlyer - this is visible to all if one hovers the mouse over "Rockhopper".

The post you made just now on EuroGA was deleted immediately due to a number of spammer activity signatures.

Incidentally, does anyone know what happened to Achim? Last post on PUF in June.

25. August 2026 21:04 Uhr: Von Sven Walter an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +1.00 [1]

Whataboutism and dodging.

Peter, you created a nice forum. Why sully your own rep? Isn''t it all about flying and choosing hospitable aerodromes as destinations? Or am I missing something?

Don't stoop too low. It might tell a story about yourself you might not be proud of.(I just read up some older thread on EuroGA today, incidentally. It shouldn't be too hard to acknowledge we all botch landings every once in a while..).

25. August 2026 21:46 Uhr: Von Yury Zaytsev an Peter Holmes Bewertung: +8.00 [8]

> The post you made just now on EuroGA was deleted immediately due to a number of spammer activity signatures.

So it was an accidental automated deletion, and it will be restored? I wasn't fast enough to have seen the post to judge for myself.

26. August 2026 13:54 Uhr: Von Alexis von Croy an Rockhopper Flyer Bewertung: +2.00 [4]

AIRFIELD DIRECTORY is by far the best website of this kind.

26. August 2026 17:55 Uhr: Von Klaus Papst an Yury Zaytsev Bewertung: +5.00 [5]

In diesem Forum wird ein Werbebeitrag für Euroga toleriert. Im Euroga Forum für Airfield.directory zu sprechen würde hingegen genauso schnell ohne Notiz gelöscht werden wie Beiträge zu vielen anderen Themen auch, die dem Inhaber nicht passen.

26. August 2026 18:11 Uhr: Von Alexis von Croy an Klaus Papst Bewertung: +2.00 [2]

Natürlich, Mr. Holly (so heißt er eigentlich) löscht alles sofort, das ihm nicht gefällt oder seine private Agenda nicht unterstützt. Und mich hasst er echt mit Leidenschaft ... weil ich ihm gern widersprochen habe. Und am schlimmsten: Ich habe mich lustig gemacht ;-) ;-) .... Das ist zehn Jahre her, aber so was wie "vergessen wir den Quatsch" kennt er nicht.

26. August 2026 19:37 Uhr: Von Peter Holmes an Alexis von Croy Bewertung: -1.00 [3]

Ah Prince Alexis again, or should I call you Vanessa Cardigan with the TBM700C2? Or the American pilot from Alaska?

https://www.euroga.org/forums/hangar-talk/7744-bye-for-now-multiple-forum-personalities-of-alexis

26. August 2026 19:43 Uhr: Von Alexis von Croy an Peter Holmes

:-)

The one thing he'll never get over is the "Prince". For ten years now he is singing that song. I would seek help before it is too late.

26. August 2026 21:09 Uhr: Von Timo Huber an thomas _koch Bewertung: +4.00 [4]

Hoi Zäme

Lasst uns doch sachlich bleiben.

Ich war seit Begin meiner fliegerischen Laufbahn User von EDDH.de. Sehr viele wertvolle informationen. Leider ist die Plattform technisch stehen geblieben und hatte darum kurzzeitig auch massive probleme bzw. war tagelang down.

Das neuen Airfield.directory ist eine tolle Website mit vielen Features und vorallem sehr übersichtlich. Aktuell schaue ich oft auf beiden Plattformen nach und verifiziere Informationen. Ob und wie lange der Betreiber so motiviert und engagiert bleibt, wie er es aktuell ist, wird sich zeigen. Der Aufwand und die damit verbundenen Kosten sind nicht zu unterschätzen. Positiv ist, dass die Daten frei verfügbar sind. Was im Worstcase Optionen bietet.

Auf der EuroGA Site bin ich sehr selten. Das Userinterface / Website ist einfach viel zu unübersichtlich für mich.

Schade finde ich, dass wir es nicht hinkriegen EINE Datenbank zu pflegen. Irgendwie wann / wie scheiden sich offensichtlich die Geister und es gibt Abspaltungen. Was sich auch in der Kommunikation hier zeigt. Sehr schade und der Sache nicht dienlich.

Gruss aus der neutralen Schweiz :-)

Timo

27. August 2026 08:45 Uhr: Von Rockhopper Flyer an Timo Huber Bewertung: +1.00 [1]

Danke für deine 70+ Beiträge - Top 3 im Leaderboard


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